MOJO MAGAZINE Interview
APRIL 1999
IT'S ALWAYS THE QUIET ONES
He was the sensitive soul who fronted south London's dodgiest
glam-rockers, the World's Most Lovely Man who chose tortured sainthood,
pop's preening popinjay who reinvented himself as a darling of the
avant-garde.
"I'm damaged goods," David Sylvian tells Sylvie Simmons.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ACTION in Sonoma. Then again, most of its residents
are retired. This quaint, leafy town only comes to life at weekends when
the tourists come by on their California wine country tours. David
Sylvian arranges to meet at a pink, faux Italian wine villa
outside of town, set high on a hill over a big, flat valley of
vines. They look powdery in the soft winter sun, like someone ironed the
Bordeaux region and covered it in dust. David is teetotal. Hair shirts
come in no end of fine shape and sizes.
He is already there when I arrive, sitting alone on a bench at a long
communal picnic table, looking decidedly not like a local: neat white
shirt, black leather jacket, pale English face framed by short, dark,
greying hair, the only thing to detract from the monochrome effect a
scrub of reddish beard. A slight, delicate-looking man with spare, almost
feminine movements, he's feeding his cake to a flock of starlings. The
sweet, pained smile adds to the effect of tortured sainthood.
Sylvian does not like interviews, he's the first musician I've met who's
tried negotiating less magazine space it it would make me
stop askinh him questions. Especially questions about the
past - plasterer's son from Lewisham, Japan's pin-up frontman...all
the transitions that brought him to where he is today, a respected,
blond-wedge-haircut-free solo musician living just down the
road in the Napa Valley with his American wife and their two
daughters, his guru close at hand.
It's an extraordinary if not an entirely new story - there have
always been artists who embrace the tragedy rather than the glory of
pop. Nutshelled, Sylvian's band Japan - loathed by the critics, loved
by the teenage girls - fought like demons to get anywhere, and
when got there and actually became good, Sylvian broke it up. He
hated being "the most beautiful man in pop", hated touring, hated
having hit records. Not a great career choice, then. He chucked
it in, scrubbed off the make-up and became a troubled recluse, a
spiritual seeker, and re-emerged as a serious, complex solo
artist with links to the art, jazz and avant-garde worlds. A
musician's musician (counting among his fans, friends and/or
collaborators Holger Czukay, Robert Fripp, Ryuichi Sakamoto,
Jon Hassell, Bill Nelson, Kenny Wheeler, Marc Ribot, classical
composer John Tavener, artist Russell Mills) and critic's fave. From
no cred to total cred. Cf. Scott Walker.
Walker and Sylvian, oddly, once planned to collaborate. It was
1990, Sylvian had sent him a song he'd written "that I thought would
suit his voice. He asked to meet up. We chatted and he said he didn't
want to record just one song, how about recording an album together as
two vocalists? It didn't strike me as a wonderful idea and I don't
think either of us believed for one second that anything was going to
happen, and it didn't. We tried. But Scott's so evasive. After being in
touch for a number of months I decided to get on with other work...I
think we had very different mind-sets," he muses, gazing at the
birds swooping down into the valley. "But we're probaly both
damaged goods."
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HE WAS BORN DAVID ALAN BATT ON FEBRUARY 23, 1958 in Beckenham, Kent, the
second of three children. His brother, Steven, came along the
following year. Their father, according to Japan's former manager, Simon
Napier-Bell, worked for Rentokil. "When you had rats he went and
plastered up the holes. It was a background David certainly wanted to
get away from."
"I was overly sensitive," David says, approaching the past with
discomfort. "I found the environment rather brutal. I wanted to
protect myself from it. I was and am very shy - crippingly shy as a
child - so I'd spend alot of time alone. Drawing and painting were
my outlet at the time. We didn't listen to much music in the house. We
didn't have a stereo. My dad used to repair this one wireless we
had - once a year it used to work for 24 hours then break down again,
but I remember music coming out of that old radio: Ticket To Ride,
A Hard Day's Night, the first things that hit me as being just
an amazing sound.
"My brother and I had these little toy guitars when we were around five
or six and I would play them until I had blisters on my fingers. I just
loved music, even though I really had no introduction to it. The next
step in my musical education was when my sister, who's three years
older, started bringing Motown records home. Then, when I was around 12,
I got a guitar. That was it for me. Straight away I started writing
my own songs - pretty folky, all strummed on two chords. Steve was getting
into music too, percussion, so we'd play together, non-stop."
At Catford Boys School, David hung out with Anthony
Michaelides (Mick Karn) - a virtuoso bassoonist until skinheads stole his
bassoon and he switched to bass. They bonded over music - glam for the
most part, the first record David bought was T.Rex's Telegram Sam. Aged
14, David, Mick and Steve dyed their hair and turned up to school
in make-up. Their classmates promptly beat the shit out of them.
"It was disguise, a mask to hide behind," David says, overlooking the
possibility that camping it up in a south-east London comprehensive is
more like hiding behind a target. "It was never an expression of what
I was. The mask was pretty dense in the early days and the whole life of
Japan could be seen as a process of me stripping it away. But it's
very unhealthy - a means of survival only, which is no way to
live. The music was a mask as well. It says nothing about how I was, other
than I was hiding, trying desperately to be anything but myself. Just
because I thought that was the only way I could survive."
The school finally suggested David might want to leave and so
he did, at 16, with no qualifications and "no other option" than music. By
that time the three masked men had morphed into a band, with Mick, the
most musically proficient, as frontman. "We would spend days and days
rehearsing my songs," David recalls. "We had a place above a shop we'd
go to every night. We were committed. And it was the only open door on
the horizon - I knew that I had to get out of that environment and that
creating music was my only means of escape. Which is no good reason
for making music - there aren't that many noble ideas in a young boy's
mind, haha - but at that time it didn't matter."
They looked like a Lewisham New York Dolls (long dyed hair, dodgy
trousers, leopard-skin jackets) and sounded somewhere between Bowie,
Roxy and Sweet. "We didn't hide our inflences," David
explains. "Maybe we didn't digest them enough before they
surfaced in our own work. But we were all self-taught - though, that's
also the strength of the band, a greater desire to experiment
to overcome one's personal limitations as musicians." By the end of
their first public appearance - at a wedding - Mick had stepped
down as singer and David had the job. "When we got there he was
too afraid to stand up front and sing. I was completely afraid, I
didn't think I could do it. But they were my songs - I knew
them, so I started singing."
The trio expanded to a five-piece the following year after
running into old schoolmate Richard Barbieri and finding leading
guitarist Rob Dean through an ad in Melody Maker. Their name supposedly
came from a travel brochure found on the bus on the way to their
first gig. David hates it. But then, he seems to hate almost everything
about Japan. "I don't know why David wants to reject his past," says
Simon Napier-Bell, "though there are so many artists that
do - look at [later client] George Michael and Wham! They have to
pretend it was all awful and childish. But Japan was a fantastic
group and it was a fantastic time." They found Napier-Bell through
another MM classified ad.
"He walked down Wigmore Street," Napier-Bell recalls of the
first meeting, "and I thought, What a fantastic looking guy. Half
Marilyn Monroe, half Mick Jagger. He wasn't at all effeminate - he
was really rather chunky-limbed, he just managed to make himself
look very pretty. I'd been in Spain and France for years so I
didn't realise the rest of teenage London didn't look like that. I
took him into the studio and he sang some songs and I said, Brilliant,
I'll sign him. Then he said, 'I've got a group and my brother's in
it and Mick's waiting downstairs' - Mick looked almost identical, both
had orange hair down to their waist. You couldn't meet the others and
not want to sign the group."
Their early shows "were really not good. David's songs
rambled and got nowhere. I decided the only way they'd ever get an
audience was if they compromised and played other people's songs
too. We put together a 40-minute set - This Old Heart Of Mine, then
one of David's, I Shot The Sheriff, one of David's. It was
sensational - in those days David had his Rod Stewart voice, his
first-album voice, and they did these other numbers in fantastic style."
The record companies didn't agree and the band stayed
deal-less. Until Hansa - the German stable that gave us
Boney M - set up shop in London; you might recall all those
billboards proclaiming their arrival. Hansa held a win-a-deal
talent contest. According to legend, The Cure won but scared the
label off with the first song they recorded on their demo money, Killing
An Arab. Enter Japan. Prior to signing (part two of the "mask") the
three core members changed their names to Karn, Jansen and
Sylvian (the last two allegedly not inspired by the Dolls' Johansen
and Sylvain). Japan's early demos were a dense brew of turgid heavy
rock and funk. Hansa gave them staff producer Steve Roland (Dave
Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich) who gave them female backing singers. They
were swiftly ousted, as was Roland, replaced by Ray Singer (The
Easybeats).
"They had a really good feel," says Singer. "I tried to
record what they were doing live in rehersals - very much a rock
band with that great bass sound of Mick's; I think because his
background was Greek Cypriot or something, you get this
weird wnnn wnnn wnnn in the bass-playing - a real oriental
sound, unlike anything I'd heard before. Those sessions were
lots of fun - they had a great sense of humour." Something you might
not expect from their poker-faced image, but Napier-Bell concurs: "In
35 years I've never managed anyone who so amused me - intimately friendly
with each other and so much laughing. But David had this image for
Japan that was not what they were about. He would not let them be fun
in front of people or on-stage or in interviews. He was a real dictator."
Sylvian's memories are of feeling "very lost. We'd been
signed about a year and hadn't been given the freedom to make a
record. We'd been demoing away, trying to please everybody else with
what kind of music we should be making and it would change on a weekly
basis - whatever was happening. Nobody was happy with anything - we
weren't, the record label weren't. It was atrocious. When we finally
were allowed to make a record, we just had this pile of material that
had been kicking around for years and a lot of the good stuff had been
dropped along the way because it supposedly wasn't commercial enough. The
first album ended up a mishmash, a caricature of whatever and whomever."
Napier-Bell, meanwhile, was pulling out the stops to get
the band press. He tried the lot: Orintal name angle (sumo wrestler
cabs aound to the rock mags delivering sake), androgynous image angle (the
ad where David pulled open his jacket to reveal fake breasts), the
gorgeous bloke angle. After a three-month campaign, the Japanese
bit, the group were stars in their namesake country with 30,000
girls in their fan club before the first album was even released.
A first single appeared in early '78, a few weeks after David's
20th birthday: a cover of Barbra Streisand's Don't Rain On My Parade,
performed in the style of punks with PMT. It died horribly - not a
great precusor for debut album Adolescent Sex, which died too. But
then, the competition had been fierce: The Clash's debut and
the Pistols' Never Mind The Bollocks to name just two. Critics
slammed them. All "paint, powder and poofy hairdos", said Melody
Maker. "The make-up," says Napier-Bell, "really only started a year and
a half into my managing them. I think their girlfriends taught them. Before
that it was just a bit of a game - slap on a bit here and there and
they'd look like clowns. I took that as David just not being alble to
wait to be a star - putting on lipstick and eye-shadow because if you
get on the train from Lewisham covered in make-up, everyone's going to
look at you."
Booed off stage on their UK tour, bottled off opening for
Blue Oyster Cult, they left for the States - where they were ignored. I
met David there for the first time, 20 years ago, interviewing
Japan by the roof-top pool of the Los Angeles Hyatt House - Sunset
Strip's legendary 'Riot House' rock'n'roll hotel.Following David's
directive to the letter, they sat far apart on seperate sunloungers,
exuding ennui and disdain. David looked particularly unhappy. He didn't
like America. He was already beginning to dislike touring. His white
make-up was starting to run in the heat.
A follow up, Obscure Alternatives, was released at
the end of the year. "The second album, I was trying to make sense of
the first album," says David, who by now had begun writing
on keyboards. "Both of themm were miserable failures artistically
and we were just lost. We didn't know which way to turn. That's
when we first began to think maybe we should just call it quits, because
something had gone terribly wrong and we didn't know how to put it
to rights.
"There was a lot more hard rock in the beginning - I think that
was Rob Dean's influence which we just got caught up in. Richard and
I were totally into electronics."
Ray Singer: "On the second album what David wanted was
something much more electronic - this was before samples and
emulators and all that. He'd heard Bowie and wanted that sound. But
I was going for the real sound they were making at the time, which
was a rock band. I think that pissed him off. I don't think they'd
really found their own direction. They were still looking for it."
Huge in Japan though. "They were mobbed," says Napier-Bell.
"Thirteen-year-old girls mostly, though they kept that audience for
five or six years until those girls grew up, which is unusual. But,
amazingly, the band stayed incredibly ordinary. They didn't really go
for the hedonistic pleasures of pop stardom at all. I suppose there was
the odd drug here and there, but they stayed very down-to-earth."
Sylvian: "The first time going to Japan and experiencing
that rush as a 20-year-old guy was a lot of fun. The second time, it
wore off. But it was the only place paying the bills. We could play
there and eat for the rest of the year. If it wasn't for Japan we would
have broken up." The groupies? "I've never done that. I've always been
too shy." Coming back from a Japanese tour in '79 he "holed up in an
apartment with Richard and played around with electronics, programming
synths for hours on end just to see what would happen, seeing where we
could go with the next album. Because we knew that the shift had to take
place if we wanted to stay together."
Meanwhile, Hansa had come up with the idea that they meet
disco producer/writer Giorgio Moroder, and David flew to LA with the
demos for album number three. "I thought, Why not? We nicknamed him
Clouseau because he had that [Pink Panther] persona about him. We
knocked Life In Tokyo off in a day." The single, a change in direction,
came out in May '79 on rising-sun-red vinyl - and flopped.
Exit Singer, enter Bryan Ferry's producer John Punter. Now
dropped by their US label, Napier-Bell was seriously in debt. The
band, perversely, were quite chipper as they set to work on Quiet Life. "A turning point
for the band," says David. "I took control. The doors were closed in
the studio, nobody was allowed to listen to what we were doing. We were
isolated - and much happier with the results. At the same time, I was
feeling more comfortable, allowing more of myself to show through in the
music. I don't think we should have released those first two albums. It's
unfortunate you grow up in public." The album flirted with the Top 50,
but the band were still losing money and Hansa were quibbling about a
fourth album.
Meanwhile, the band appeared live with their new image - smart
togs, super-styled hair. Virgin Records, who must have thought they'd
nabbed the queens of the budding New Romantic scene, signed them. The
elegant Gentlemen Take Polaroids marked their first
collaboration (Taking Islands In Africa) between David and Yellow Magic
Orchestra's Ryuichi Sakamoto, who'd first met when the latter interviewed
the former in Tokyo for a Japanese magazine. Ryuichi: "We became like
longtome friends in five minutes. David is delicate, patient,
deep-thinking and strong."
At last a Top 50 album act, for the first time Japan looked
less alone, with glam synth-pop bands sprouting up everywhere. Duran
Duran asked Sylvian to produce their album; he declined. Determined to
stay an outsider, he also distanced Japan from the New Romantics, with
whom they shared a love of new technology, Berlin-era Bowie, emotional
detachment and a mix of minimalism and melodrama. Meanwhile, the World's
Most Beautiful Man press campaign was launched. And the album was
big in Japan.
Suddenly, in 1981, they had a Top 20 single - a
remixed old Hansa song, Quiet Life. Japan found themselves on Top Of
The Pops, and career schizophrenia set in. From the summer on, Japan
had a string of hits - alternate Hansa and Virgin releases. "It all
charted in a mismatched, non-consecutive fashion," sighs Sylvian. "It
was awful. You felt you'd left something behind and suddenly it was
doing better in the charts than the thing you were working on." That
thing was fifth album Tin Drum. Produced by Penguin Cafe
Orchestra's Steve Nye, it heralded a new direction with its world
music influences and hypnotic orchestration. The strange, beautiful
Ghosts went Top 5. The album went gold. But by this time the band
didn't care.
"The year we were the most successful we'd broken up. By the
time Tin Drum was released, the decision to stop had more or
less been made. There was a lot of animorsity. No official
announcement had been made - we'd just got together for the odd
TV or photo shoot. It was very..." he reaches for the right
word, "...odd. I think just about all of us would have been
happy to just walk away from the whole thing." Rob Dean had
already quit over "musical differences"; there wasn't much
room now for a lead guitar.
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